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		By: A Week of Solar Eclipse, Loss and Sadness, a Tribute to Louise Glück, and Some Thoughts on Poetry, Academia, Ambition and the Establishment @ Webbish6		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Week of Solar Eclipse, Loss and Sadness, a Tribute to Louise Glück, and Some Thoughts on Poetry, Academia, Ambition and the Establishment @ Webbish6]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] academe in general. The other was my blog-gatherer-extraordinaire and haiku poet Dave Bonta, who wrote a post about ambition, poetry, and careers. Both posts are thought-provoking and worth your time. One thing that Dave mentions that I have [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] academe in general. The other was my blog-gatherer-extraordinaire and haiku poet Dave Bonta, who wrote a post about ambition, poetry, and careers. Both posts are thought-provoking and worth your time. One thing that Dave mentions that I have [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 17:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8992&quot;&gt;bobmee&lt;/a&gt;.

Living out in the country and spending a significant portion of one&#039;s time outside, as I know you also do, certainly helps put things in perspective, doesn&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8992">bobmee</a>.</p>
<p>Living out in the country and spending a significant portion of one&#8217;s time outside, as I know you also do, certainly helps put things in perspective, doesn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 17:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8991&quot;&gt;Matthew Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting. I hadn&#039;t really focused on that, but now that you mention it I can certainly think of examples, and can see how it could be detrimental, though in general I guess it&#039;s a question of &quot;skillful means,&quot; as the Buddhists would say (since so many haijin seem to be Buddhist): knowing when kindness and encouragement are needed, but being able to offer a good critique if one knows the poet can take it in the spirit in which it&#039;s meant. Since so much communication is necessarily online, though, the absence of a Levinasian face-to-face encounter makes real critique a bit challenging, in my experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8991">Matthew Paul</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting. I hadn&#8217;t really focused on that, but now that you mention it I can certainly think of examples, and can see how it could be detrimental, though in general I guess it&#8217;s a question of &#8220;skillful means,&#8221; as the Buddhists would say (since so many haijin seem to be Buddhist): knowing when kindness and encouragement are needed, but being able to offer a good critique if one knows the poet can take it in the spirit in which it&#8217;s meant. Since so much communication is necessarily online, though, the absence of a Levinasian face-to-face encounter makes real critique a bit challenging, in my experience.</p>
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		By: bobmee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 09:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Makes perfect sense to me Dave. I have a similar reaction to the poetry world - and distaste for the self-regarding, self-sustaining, critical super-structure led by academics for the benefit of academics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes perfect sense to me Dave. I have a similar reaction to the poetry world &#8211; and distaste for the self-regarding, self-sustaining, critical super-structure led by academics for the benefit of academics.</p>
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		By: Matthew Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 08:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave, Very interesting piece. I&#039;m no great fan of the competitiveness either, but re this bit, though - &quot;someone who just started writing haiku a month ago has as much chance as a veteran with dozens of books and awards under their belt of landing an acceptance at virtually any journal in the space&quot; - that to me isn&#039;t necessarily a good thing. My experience of the EL haiku/tanka/haibun community over many years is that there is often a (well-intentioned) rush to heap praise on the efforts of beginners which in the long run is to their detriment, because they might think they have nothing to learn; and that there&#039;s often an inability to differentiate poems with real poetic merit and originality from those without. The almost total lack of constructive criticism doesn&#039;t help either. I&#039;m generalising of course, but how often do we see bog-standard haiku lionised, not just in social media but in competitions and in journals. There needs to be a happy medium, doesn&#039;t there?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave, Very interesting piece. I&#8217;m no great fan of the competitiveness either, but re this bit, though &#8211; &#8220;someone who just started writing haiku a month ago has as much chance as a veteran with dozens of books and awards under their belt of landing an acceptance at virtually any journal in the space&#8221; &#8211; that to me isn&#8217;t necessarily a good thing. My experience of the EL haiku/tanka/haibun community over many years is that there is often a (well-intentioned) rush to heap praise on the efforts of beginners which in the long run is to their detriment, because they might think they have nothing to learn; and that there&#8217;s often an inability to differentiate poems with real poetic merit and originality from those without. The almost total lack of constructive criticism doesn&#8217;t help either. I&#8217;m generalising of course, but how often do we see bog-standard haiku lionised, not just in social media but in competitions and in journals. There needs to be a happy medium, doesn&#8217;t there?</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8988&quot;&gt;Dale Favier&lt;/a&gt;.

I hear that. Various roads not taken do present themselves to one&#039;s imagination at this stage of one&#039;s life. I have to remind myself from time to time that I have been in fact, as you say, inordinately lucky, all things considered.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8988">Dale Favier</a>.</p>
<p>I hear that. Various roads not taken do present themselves to one&#8217;s imagination at this stage of one&#8217;s life. I have to remind myself from time to time that I have been in fact, as you say, inordinately lucky, all things considered.</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8986&quot;&gt;Lesley Wheeler&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, my parents were the primary role models for my iconoclasm, too, I think - both my mom in determining to have a career as a naturalist writer despite being a nearly full-time homemaker, and my dad for resisting the pressure to advance as an academic reference librarian, instead doing the whole back-to-the-land thing and getting involved in international librarianship issues, leading eventually to a second career as an independent peace scholar after taking early retirement from Penn State. I realize how lucky I am to have been raised by two such people, who encouraged each of us kids to pursue whatever weird interests we might have over whatever society deemed important. They were counter-cultural in the best sense of the word, and encouraged us to think for ourselves. So my older brother becomes a philologist of the first order, learning dozens of languages and making a huge contribution (in my opinion) to the extremely unfashionable science of epigraphy with his efforts to decipher the Indus Valley Script, and my younger brother becomes a geographer authoring widely cited books and papers on biogeography and ethno-ornithology, especially his work on cycads and Australian fire-hawks. I&#039;m the normal one, LOL.

Looking forward to your post!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8986">Lesley Wheeler</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, my parents were the primary role models for my iconoclasm, too, I think &#8211; both my mom in determining to have a career as a naturalist writer despite being a nearly full-time homemaker, and my dad for resisting the pressure to advance as an academic reference librarian, instead doing the whole back-to-the-land thing and getting involved in international librarianship issues, leading eventually to a second career as an independent peace scholar after taking early retirement from Penn State. I realize how lucky I am to have been raised by two such people, who encouraged each of us kids to pursue whatever weird interests we might have over whatever society deemed important. They were counter-cultural in the best sense of the word, and encouraged us to think for ourselves. So my older brother becomes a philologist of the first order, learning dozens of languages and making a huge contribution (in my opinion) to the extremely unfashionable science of epigraphy with his efforts to decipher the Indus Valley Script, and my younger brother becomes a geographer authoring widely cited books and papers on biogeography and ethno-ornithology, especially his work on cycads and Australian fire-hawks. I&#8217;m the normal one, LOL.</p>
<p>Looking forward to your post!</p>
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		By: Dale Favier		</title>
		<link>https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8988</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale Favier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yeah. I now feel that having failed to land an academic job in the 1980&#039;s was probably the luckiest break of my inordinately lucky life. I have time to read and think!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. I now feel that having failed to land an academic job in the 1980&#8217;s was probably the luckiest break of my inordinately lucky life. I have time to read and think!</p>
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		By: Dave		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8985&quot;&gt;Ian Gibbins&lt;/a&gt;.

I got the impression that the British university system isn&#039;t in crisis, either, but I might be wrong about that. Certainly they are farther along in the process of destroying the middle class.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://davebonta.com/2023/10/ambition-without-careerism/#comment-8985">Ian Gibbins</a>.</p>
<p>I got the impression that the British university system isn&#8217;t in crisis, either, but I might be wrong about that. Certainly they are farther along in the process of destroying the middle class.</p>
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		By: Lesley Wheeler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesley Wheeler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I spent the afternoon drafting a blog I’ll post tomorrow about the if/ when collapse of academe and the way it shapes the arts. I hear you about appreciating the community you’ve found and your resistance to prestige-striving, although I’ve been having a hard time letting go of it. It’s my job but also my personality, I think. And who my parents were. All the stuff that shapes us for good and ill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent the afternoon drafting a blog I’ll post tomorrow about the if/ when collapse of academe and the way it shapes the arts. I hear you about appreciating the community you’ve found and your resistance to prestige-striving, although I’ve been having a hard time letting go of it. It’s my job but also my personality, I think. And who my parents were. All the stuff that shapes us for good and ill.</p>
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